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Jim Pfaff on 2 GUYS 1 COUP PODCAST: Charlie Kirk Assassination & Left’s Violence

Published: October 08, 2025
Network: 2 Guys 1 Coup Podcast
Analysis: Conservative Caucus President Jim Pfaff

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The Conservative Caucus President Jim Pfaff joined the 2 Guys 1 Coup Podcast to provide crucial analysis of the Charlie Kirk assassination and its devastating implications for America. In a wide-ranging conversation, Pfaff examined how years of escalating leftist rhetoric created the conditions for political violence, why the mainstream media bears tangential responsibility, and what this tragedy reveals about the fundamental divide between those seeking to preserve American ideals and those working to supplant them. This discussion offers essential perspective on one of the most consequential moments in modern conservative movement history.

Topics Covered

• The Profound Impact of Charlie Kirk’s Assassination
• Media Culpability and Violent Rhetoric
• Accountability vs. Cancel Culture
• Democrat Party’s Tangential Responsibility
• The Conservative Response: Prayer, Not Violence
• Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and Future Leadership
• Reasons for Hope Moving Forward
• Electoral Implications for 2026
• Key Takeaways

The Profound Impact of Charlie Kirk’s Assassination

Jim Pfaff opened the conversation by acknowledging the unprecedented emotional weight of Charlie Kirk’s death, comparing its national impact to the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and John F. Kennedy. “This really is MLK level,” Pfaff stated, noting that even leftist news outlets haven’t stopped covering the story since it happened.

“Here is a very non-Ivy League graduate who I think was incredibly articulate and knowledgeable of all things America, of all things politics, and of all things American documents—our Constitution and various things like that—and of Christian theology.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Pfaff emphasized the unique nature of Kirk’s accomplishments, noting that he was just 18 years old when he started Turning Point USA and only 31 when he was killed. The organization Kirk built would “make many of us who have organizations in the conservative movement blush,” Pfaff observed, highlighting the extraordinary scope of Kirk’s influence despite his youth and lack of traditional credentials.

The Conservative Caucus president also pointed to Kirk’s debate at the Oxford Union as evidence of his intellectual caliber. “A high school graduate effectively debated at the Oxford Union,” Pfaff noted. “The best intellectuals in the world are debating there, talking about issues. It’s been really one of the great debate societies in human history.”

Media Culpability and Violent Rhetoric

A significant portion of the discussion focused on how years of escalating rhetoric from Democrats and mainstream media outlets created the conditions that led to the Charlie Kirk assassination. The podcast hosts played a compilation video showing prominent Democrats and media figures repeatedly calling Republicans “fascists,” “terrorists,” “Nazis,” and a “death cult.”

Pfaff argued that while not every Democrat politician directly caused Kirk’s murder, they bear “tangential culpability” for creating an environment where such violence becomes thinkable. “They have tangential culpability. Like they’re on the edge of it. It’s their rhetoric that has done this,” he explained.

The conversation highlighted a crucial distinction: conservatives consistently challenged leftist policies and ideas through debate and democratic processes, never calling for violence or dehumanizing their opponents to the degree that Democrats have done to MAGA supporters.

“When I say and when we say on this show that we don’t agree with the trans life, just leave the kids alone and we think there’s a mental problem with you, but if you’re an adult and you want to do it, I can’t stop you. They seem to take that as we hate them. We want them to die. And that’s how the left is repeating it.”
— Dale, 2 Guys 1 Coup Podcast Host

Accountability vs. Cancel Culture

One of the most important distinctions Pfaff made during the discussion was between what he called “accountability culture” and the left’s “cancel culture.” In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, numerous individuals—including educators, government employees, and even the president of the Oxford Union—publicly celebrated Kirk’s death on social media.

Pfaff argued forcefully that these individuals should face consequences, but not as “cancel culture”—rather as basic employment law and appropriate accountability.

“I think every government institution that has anyone that is out on social media praising the death of Charlie Kirk—every one of those people should be fired for cause. What do I mean by for cause? Meaning they did something wrong in their job. I think you are doing something wrong in your job when you’re calling out praise for the murder of any individual.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Pfaff clarified that this isn’t about suppressing free speech but about recognizing that freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. “You do not—you cannot be put down for having freedom of speech, but the freedom of speech does not give you the right to be insulated from the consequences of your speech,” he explained.

The Conservative Caucus president emphasized that shame serves a protective function in society, and appropriate shame—such as losing one’s job for celebrating murder—is necessary for people to recognize the severity of their sin and potentially repent.

Democrat Party’s Tangential Responsibility

Throughout the conversation, Pfaff drew a sharp distinction between Democrat voters and Democrat political leadership, arguing that the latter bears significant responsibility for creating the conditions that led to the Charlie Kirk assassination.

“When I say very clearly the Democrat party is not an American party, it’s a leftist radicalist party, I seek no unity with the Democrat party,” Pfaff stated. “But when I say that, I’m not talking about Democrat voters.”

He pointed out that many Democrats voted for Donald Trump in 2024, and most Democrat voters aren’t celebrating Kirk’s death. “The problem is Democrat politicians and the Democrat-aligned media,” he explained. “I will not speak well of them. They are messing this up badly.”

Pfaff traced the current crisis back to deliberate efforts by Democrat leadership to “supplant the American ideal” with something fundamentally different, comparing their tactics to Maoist struggle sessions from Communist China in the 1950s and 60s.

“Most of it was Maoist communism. There are a lot of Maoist symbols that college students of the time were displaying that far more than any communist Russian communist ones. Maoist communism is the example of where they’re going.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

He argued that while Democrat leadership may not currently be calling for mass killings, their ideology of supplanting—replacing the American system with their own vision—inherently requires destroying opponents. “When you want to supplant an idea, then you of necessity need to in some form or fashion destroy its opponents,” Pfaff explained.

The Conservative Response: Prayer, Not Violence

A powerful moment in the discussion came when the hosts contrasted the conservative response to the Charlie Kirk assassination with how the left typically responds to events they perceive as injustices.

“You notice that once Charlie Kirk was murdered, assassinated, we didn’t take to the streets. We didn’t burn anything down. We didn’t spit in cops’ faces. We did not do anything like that. We went and prayed,” one host observed.

This distinction highlights a fundamental difference in worldview. When conservatives face tragedy or injustice, they turn to prayer, vigils, and the democratic process. When the left faces perceived injustices—or even just electoral losses—they often resort to violence, destruction, and intimidation.

Pfaff noted that the prayer vigil at Kennedy Center represented the appropriate response to tragedy—mourning, reflection, and seeking divine guidance rather than vengeance. “Anyone that’s not in some degree of mourning over this is a totally lost soul,” he stated.

Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and Future Leadership

One of the most poignant questions raised during the discussion was who could possibly fill the void left by Charlie Kirk’s death. The hosts wondered whether anyone could reach young people with the same effectiveness that made Kirk such a transformational figure in conservative politics.

Pfaff’s answer was both sobering and hopeful: “Nobody’s going to replace Charlie Kirk. That’s a unique thing. But if these million kids that have now been totally seemingly totally on board with taking his legacy forward, that’s how you replace a Charlie Kirk.”

He explained that Kirk’s approach was never about building a cult of personality around himself, but about empowering young people to become advocates for American ideals themselves. “What he talked about with young people all the time was for them to be the replacement for him, to be the people doing what he did,” Pfaff noted.

“If Charlie Kirk’s death doesn’t inspire a lot of young people to say, ‘Listen, I’m going to take his advice and that’s how I’m going to seek to live my life. I’m going to follow the Lord Jesus Christ. I’m going to understand the American hope and ideal and understand how that connects to scriptural principles that are timeless, that are immutable, that work every time’—if we don’t do that, then we are going to lose this culture.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Pfaff emphasized that Kirk’s most important legacy wasn’t Turning Point USA as an organization, but the countless young people he inspired to understand and defend constitutional principles, free markets, and Judeo-Christian values. The question now is whether those young people will rise to the challenge.

Reasons for Hope Moving Forward

Despite the somber tone of much of the conversation, Pfaff offered several concrete reasons why conservatives should remain hopeful about the future of the country—even in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination.

1. Voter Roll Cleanup: Pfaff highlighted the work being done by Harmeet Dhillon at the Department of Justice and organizations like Judicial Watch to clean up voter rolls across the country. “That’s happening, and that’s a positive thing. It’s going to be much bigger than I think people realize,” he said, noting that ineligible voters—many of whom lean Democrat—are being removed from rolls in multiple states.

2. Favorable Redistricting: Republicans are successfully redistricting in multiple states, potentially adding 5-7 House seats. Pfaff noted that in Indiana, a proposed map would eliminate both Democrat congressional seats by breaking up Indianapolis into four districts, each with a 17%+ Republican advantage.

3. MAGA Movement Energy: The grassroots energy that propelled Donald Trump to victory in 2024 remains strong, and Pfaff believes the Charlie Kirk assassination may actually radicalize young conservatives to become more politically engaged rather than less.

4. Democrat Funding Crisis: The Republican National Committee has nearly $90 million in the bank while the Democratic National Committee has only about $18 million, according to the most recent reporting period. Democrats are laying off staff and struggling to raise money from both small and large donors.

“The reason I do that is not because ‘well I hope I get saved. I hope I can go to heaven.’ No, no, no. Jesus asserted that if you follow him that will happen. If you trust in him in faith that will happen. So when you trust in him in faith then you suddenly are urged and called upon by him to see the kingdom of God come on earth.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Pfaff grounded his hope in biblical principles, explaining that true hope isn’t wishful thinking but confidence based on real principles and actions. “Hope is working towards something you know will work if you just work it,” he explained.

Electoral Implications for 2026

The conversation turned to the upcoming 2026 midterm elections and whether the Charlie Kirk assassination might create a “wave” election favoring Republicans. Pfaff offered a nuanced analysis based on current polling and political dynamics.

“When I look objectively at polling numbers and some of them are good and some bad, so I don’t live and die by polls,” Pfaff began. “I see on the issues that the American people are with us when it comes to immigration and crime and government spending and so forth. We’re winning that battle.”

However, he noted that President Trump’s approval numbers, while not bad, aren’t “well over 50%”—which typically isn’t an indicator of a wave election. What does indicate potential wave dynamics is the energy gap between the parties.

Pfaff specifically addressed the potential impact of Kirk’s death on young voters: “What happens with 18 to 24 year olds after what happened to Charlie Kirk? You’re going to see an inspiration in that crowd of young people who were inspired to vote for Donald Trump in part because of the efforts of Charlie Kirk and TPUSA.”

He noted that Trump won 53% of young males aged 18-24 in the 2024 election—an unprecedented achievement for a Republican candidate, largely attributed to Kirk’s outreach efforts. If Kirk’s assassination motivates even more young people to engage politically, it could be “the one key factor in 2026 that changes the game.”

Regarding specific races, Pfaff expressed concern about the Texas Senate primary, where establishment incumbent John Cornyn is being challenged by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. “Bill Paxton has been ahead of John Cornin in polls on the Senate primary in Texas,” Pfaff noted, though recent polls show the race tightening. He characterized Cornyn as exemplifying “all the problems with Washington DC.”

Key Takeaways

1. The Charlie Kirk Assassination Represents an MLK-Level Loss – Jim Pfaff compared the national impact of Kirk’s death to the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and JFK, noting that even leftist media outlets haven’t stopped covering the story and that Kirk’s influence on young conservatives was unprecedented for someone without an Ivy League pedigree.
2. Democrats and Media Bear Tangential Culpability – Years of rhetoric labeling Republicans as “fascists,” “terrorists,” “Nazis,” and a “death cult” created the conditions where violence against conservatives became thinkable. While not directly responsible for the assassination, Democrat politicians and aligned media outlets share responsibility for the toxic environment they created.
3. Accountability Culture, Not Cancel Culture – Individuals who publicly celebrated Kirk’s assassination should face employment consequences, particularly government employees. This isn’t “cancel culture” but basic accountability—freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, and celebrating murder is a fireable offense in any professional context.
4. Conservatives Respond with Prayer, Not Violence – The stark contrast between the conservative response to Kirk’s assassination (prayer vigils, moments of silence, no riots) and typical leftist responses to perceived injustices (violence, property destruction, attacks on police) reveals a fundamental worldview difference between the movements.
5. Kirk’s Legacy Lives Through Empowered Youth – Rather than one person stepping into Kirk’s shoes, his true legacy is the million young people he inspired to understand and defend American constitutional principles. If they rise to the challenge, they collectively replace him; if they don’t, “we are going to lose this culture.”
6. Multiple Factors Favor Republicans in 2026 – Voter roll cleanup, favorable redistricting, Democrat funding crisis, and potential energy surge from Kirk’s assassination all point toward possible GOP gains in the midterms. However, success requires quality candidates and maintaining grassroots energy over the next 18 months.
7. The Democrat Party Seeks to Supplant, Not Reform – Pfaff argued that Democrat leadership isn’t trying to improve America within its constitutional framework but rather to replace (“supplant”) the American system entirely with something resembling Maoist communism—complete with struggle sessions, public shaming, and eventual elimination of opponents.
8. Biblical Hope Requires Action – True hope isn’t wishful thinking but confidence based on real principles and committed action. For conservatives, this means working to bring “the kingdom of God to earth” through a set of principles, rules, and ethics that have proven successful throughout Western civilization—the same principles Charlie Kirk championed.

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About The Conservative Caucus:
The Conservative Caucus is a grassroots public policy action organization, formed in 1974. Headed by President Jim Pfaff, the Caucus is committed to advancing free enterprise, limited government, and traditional values.

Originally broadcast October 08, 2025 on 2 Guys 1 Coup Podcast.