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Bobby Gunther Walsh with TCC’s President Jim Pfaff on Ukraine Deal

Published: March 14, 2025
Network: The Conservative Caucus
Analysis: Conservative Caucus President Jim Pfaff

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President Trump’s proposed Ukraine peace deal has ignited fierce controversy after reports emerged that Democrat Senator Chris Murphy and British officials allegedly met with Ukrainian President Zelensky beforehand, encouraging him to reject the agreement. Jim Pfaff, President of The Conservative Caucus, joined Bobby Gunther Walsh to break down the explosive revelations surrounding the failed negotiations and what they expose about the war’s underlying corruption. The discussion reveals a troubling pattern of foreign interference in American diplomacy and questions about where billions in U.S. aid have actually gone.

Topics Covered

• Democrat Interference in Peace Negotiations
• The Details of Trump’s Ukraine Peace Deal
• Zelensky’s Corruption and Democratic Backsliding
• Putting American Priorities First
• The Global Assault on Liberty
• Key Takeaways

Democrat Interference in Peace Negotiations

The most explosive revelation from the weekend came from multiple sources, including the New York Post and admissions on social media by Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT), confirming that Democrats met with President Zelensky prior to his meeting with President Trump to discourage acceptance of the proposed peace agreement.

“This is really critical… there was a deal on I believe it was November 17th of last year that Great Britain and European countries had not discussed that they were already attempting to make with him, so there could have been some collusion with Keir Starmer the Prime Minister of Great Britain and others prior to this meeting.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Pfaff emphasized that while Trump was being accused of “ambushing” the meeting with Zelensky, the reality points to coordination between Democrats, particularly Senator Murphy, and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer to undermine American diplomatic efforts. This revelation raises serious questions about the Logan Act and whether private citizens and foreign officials are working to sabotage official U.S. foreign policy.

The interference appears motivated less by genuine concern for Ukraine and more by domestic political calculations. As Pfaff noted, the Ukrainian priest Father Michael Pados observed that pro-war advocates are essentially engaging in “virtue signaling” and “trolling Donald Trump” rather than considering what’s best for the Ukrainian people who continue to suffer.

The Details of Trump’s Ukraine Peace Deal

While mainstream media focused on the drama of the meeting, less attention was paid to the actual substance of Trump’s Ukraine peace deal proposal. According to Pfaff, Trump “laid out a wonderful deal that would allow peace in that region and allow a significant connection between Ukraine and United States that could be positive for both countries.”

The proposal represented what Pfaff described as Trump being “the adult in the room,” attempting to broker a realistic end to a conflict that Ukraine cannot win militarily. The deal would have provided Ukraine with security guarantees while acknowledging the territorial realities on the ground after years of devastating warfare.

However, Zelensky’s rejection—allegedly encouraged by Democrat senators and European officials—means the war continues, with ordinary Ukrainians bearing the cost. The Ukrainian ambassador’s visible distress during the meeting, captured in photographs showing her head in her hands, suggested that even Ukrainian officials recognize the missed opportunity.

“Donald Trump understands what’s going on here because he’s really smart about it… he’s right.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Zelensky’s Corruption and Democratic Backsliding

When Volodymyr Zelensky was elected president of Ukraine, he was celebrated as a reformer who would clean up one of Europe’s most corrupt nations. However, Pfaff highlighted troubling developments that suggest Zelensky has become part of the problem rather than the solution.

“Zelensky is showing himself to be the kind of leader that is at best dubious and at worst highly corrupt,” Pfaff stated, pointing to several concerning actions:

• Cancelled elections: Zelensky has indefinitely postponed presidential elections, citing the ongoing war
• Political imprisonment: Opposition figures, including Alexander Danylyshyn, a former member of Zelensky’s own party, have been jailed on dubious charges of being “Russian agents”
• Unaccounted billions: The massive flow of U.S. and European aid to Ukraine remains largely unaccounted for, raising questions about where the money has gone
• Suppression of dissent: Critics of the war or Zelensky’s leadership face accusations of spreading “disinformation”

Pfaff drew a parallel to Abraham Lincoln’s presidency, noting that even during the Civil War, Lincoln maintained democratic processes: “Abraham Lincoln got rid of habeas corpus to help protect the government but he also held an election so that the people could determine if he was doing the proper job.” By contrast, Zelensky has suspended the electoral process entirely.

Polls conducted in Ukraine, though difficult to verify completely, reportedly show that approximately 70% of Ukrainians want an end to the war. “What do the people of Ukraine want?” Pfaff asked. “An election might tell us that, but he hasn’t allowed an election because the people of Ukraine might say listen, I want this over.”

Putting American Priorities First

At the heart of the controversy is a fundamental question about American priorities. Critics have attempted to frame Trump’s position as “choosing Russia over Ukraine,” but Pfaff rejected this false dichotomy entirely.

“Trump is choosing the American people and the people in California who lost their homes to the devastating fires, the people in Florida who’ve lost their homes from the Hurricanes, from North Carolina, South Carolina… he’s choosing America First.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

The discussion highlighted several domestic crises that have received inadequate attention and funding while billions flow to Ukraine:

• Hurricane victims: Residents of North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina continue living in tents months after devastating storms, with FEMA employees documented refusing aid to Trump supporters
• California wildfires: Thousands lost homes while federal resources remained committed overseas
• Fentanyl crisis: Drug overdoses continue killing Americans at record rates
• Border security: The southern border remains unsecured despite promises

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk inadvertently highlighted Europe’s dependency with his statement: “500 million Europeans are asking 300 million Americans to defend them.” This encapsulates the imbalance Trump seeks to address—why should American taxpayers indefinitely fund the defense of wealthy European nations that refuse to adequately fund their own security?

Pfaff emphasized that holding Zelensky accountable for how American aid is spent and demanding progress toward peace doesn’t make one “pro-Putin.” Rather, it’s a parent asking a dependent, “You’re living in my house and I don’t have a right to ask you how much longer do you plan on doing it and how much more is this going to cost me?”

The Global Assault on Liberty

Beyond Ukraine specifically, Pfaff connected the situation to a broader pattern of democratic backsliding and censorship occurring across Western democracies. He identified what he called “an international movement” to suppress dissent under the guise of combating “misinformation” and “disinformation.”

Examples cited include:

• United Kingdom: Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s government has dramatically expanded censorship and arrested citizens for social media posts
• European Union: Mass censorship efforts targeting political speech critical of government policies
• Brazil: Former President Jair Bolsonaro faces persecution, with his son Eduardo’s passport being revoked and political opponents imprisoned, with Biden Administration involvement in the 2022 elections
• Ukraine: Opposition politicians jailed and elections suspended

According to Pfaff, this represents a coordinated effort by what he termed “an international cabal” working through institutions like the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, and various non-governmental organizations (NGOs) funded by USAID and similar programs. These entities, he argued, function as “pass-throughs of money to political actors” rather than providing genuine humanitarian services.

“Under the name of democracy, an order of world elites signified by the World Economic Forum and the UN… they’re taking away freedoms in the West… There is an international movement that… we have been under a dark cloud for 30 to 50 years of an international cabal to take away liberties and freedoms under the guise of democracy.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

In this context, Pfaff positioned Trump as potentially “the one person who can do this” to reverse these trends. Along with leaders like Argentina’s Javier Milei, Trump represents “a little bit of light coming through this dark” period for Western liberty.

The intense criticism directed at Trump and Vice President JD Vance—including protesters meeting Vance during a family vacation in Vermont—actually confirms they’re on the right track: “The shrapnel, the flak is always the most intense when you’re over the target.”

Key Takeaways

1. Democrat Sabotage of Peace – Senator Chris Murphy and other Democrats allegedly met with Zelensky before Trump’s peace proposal to encourage rejection of the Ukraine peace deal, prioritizing domestic political gains over ending the war.
2. Zelensky’s Democratic Backsliding – The Ukrainian president has cancelled elections, imprisoned political opponents, and presided over massive unaccounted-for aid, contradicting his initial reform mandate.
3. America First vs. Forever Wars – Trump’s position prioritizes American disaster victims, border security, and fiscal responsibility over indefinite foreign commitments, challenging the false choice between supporting Ukraine and supporting Russia.
4. European Dependency – Wealthy European nations continue expecting American taxpayers to fund their defense while spending their own resources on social programs and diversity initiatives rather than military capabilities.
5. Global Censorship Trend – The Ukraine situation exists within a broader pattern of Western governments suppressing dissent through “disinformation” claims, from the UK to Brazil to the EU, with Biden Administration involvement in undermining conservative leaders internationally.
6. Follow the Money – Billions in Ukraine aid remain unaccounted for, flowing through NGOs and defense contractors that function as political pass-throughs rather than serving genuine humanitarian purposes or American interests.
7. Ukrainian Public Opinion – Polls suggest approximately 70% of Ukrainians want the war to end, but Zelensky has prevented elections that might reflect this sentiment and force accountability.

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Originally broadcast March 14, 2025 on The Conservative Caucus.