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StoneZone – Roger Stone with TCC President Jim Pfaff: Trump’s NYC lynching

Published: March 31, 2025
Network: The Conservative Caucus
Analysis: Conservative Caucus President Jim Pfaff

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As Donald Trump faces unprecedented criminal prosecution in Manhattan, veteran political strategist Roger Stone is drawing disturbing parallels between the former president’s Trump trial lawfare experience and his own 2019 prosecution in Washington D.C. In a revealing discussion on StoneZone, Stone detailed how corrupted jury selection, biased judges, and coordinated prosecutorial efforts represent a systematic weaponization of the justice system against political opponents. The similarities between these cases expose what Stone characterizes as a “racketeering conspiracy” involving multiple Democratic prosecutors, the Biden Justice Department, and activist judges working in concert to eliminate political threats.

Topics Covered

• The Disturbing Parallels Between Stone’s Trial and Trump’s Prosecution
• Jury Corruption: How Political Activists Infiltrate the System
• Constitutional Violations: Gag Orders and Suppressed Speech
• The Racketeering Conspiracy Behind Trump Trial Lawfare
• Two-Tiered Justice: Who Gets Prosecuted and Who Walks Free
• America First Candidate Derek Evans on Draining the Swamp
• Jim Pfaff on Transforming Conservative Grassroots Politics
• Key Takeaways

The Disturbing Parallels Between Stone’s Trial and Trump’s Prosecution

Roger Stone opened the discussion by highlighting what legal scholar Jonathan Turley called “an embarrassment” – the prosecution of Donald Trump over alleged campaign finance violations that federal authorities declined to pursue. Turley, who Stone noted is neither a conservative nor a Trump supporter, characterized the case as a misdemeanor charge that had expired under the statute of limitations, only to be “zapped back into life” by alleging federal campaign finance violations that the Department of Justice doesn’t recognize.

The parallels to Stone’s own 2019 trial are striking and deliberate. Stone explained that his prosecution served as “the template, the prototype, the dry run” for the Trump trial lawfare strategy now being deployed against the former president. Both cases feature Manhattan and D.C. jury pools overwhelmingly hostile to the defendants, judges who display open bias, and prosecution teams coordinated with White House officials.

“This isn’t a prosecution. This is election interference. The parallels between this trial in New York and my trial in DC are really keeping me up at night.”
— Roger Stone

Stone’s attorneys moved for a change of venue, recognizing that Washington D.C. – where Trump received less than 5% of the vote – could not provide a fair trial. That motion was denied. Trump’s legal team has now filed the same motion in Manhattan, where the former president faces similar electoral hostility. Stone predicts it will meet the same fate.

Jury Corruption: How Political Activists Infiltrate the System

Perhaps the most disturbing revelation from Stone’s discussion involves the systematic corruption of jury selection processes. In Stone’s case, the jury forewoman was Tomeka Hart, a former Democratic congressional candidate and protégé of Democratic strategist Donna Brazile. Hart had attacked both Stone and Trump on social media in the year before Stone’s arrest, specifically commenting on the very case for which she would later serve as a juror.

Another juror in Stone’s case worked for Green Party candidate Jill Stein and had been a party organizer, yet claimed no political bias. After the trial, this juror gave an extensive interview to the Washington Post defending the conviction – a conviction Stone maintains was for crimes that never occurred.

The Trump trial is following the same pattern. On day two of proceedings, a juror was dismissed only after finally admitting they couldn’t be objective – they worked in the same building as prosecution witness Michael Cohen and had family connections to Chris Christie, one of Trump’s most vocal Republican critics. Stone suspects numerous other jurors have attacked Trump on social media but claimed objectivity during selection.

“This is a hanging jury. It’s a Manhattan jury. I’ve been there. You might recall that in my case, the jury forewoman… lied to get on the jury.”
— Roger Stone

Constitutional Violations: Gag Orders and Suppressed Speech

The Trump trial lawfare strategy extends beyond jury manipulation to include systematic suppression of defendants’ First Amendment rights. Stone was gagged shortly after his attorneys forced the FBI to admit they had never actually inspected the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, instead relying on representations from a third-party contractor called CrowdStrike regarding the alleged Russian hack.

The gag order in Stone’s case was extraordinarily broad – it covered not only Stone himself but his wife, children, grandchildren, and even his supporters, including media figures like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones. The judge’s reasoning was that Stone’s speech might “taint the D.C. jury pool,” yet no similar restrictions were placed on the Washington Post, CNN, or MSNBC, which Stone notes constantly published false attacks against him.

When Stone challenged the constitutionality of the gag order through a writ of mandamus, the D.C. appeals court sat on the motion for 16 months. They finally ruled that the motion wasn’t “ripe for decision” because Stone hadn’t first asked the trial judge – the same judge who imposed the gag – to remove it, which she obviously would never do.

Trump faces the same unconstitutional restrictions. Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels are free to publicly attack the former president, but Trump is prohibited from responding. Stone argues this violates the constitutional principle that political speech is among the most protected forms of expression in America.

The Racketeering Conspiracy Behind Trump Trial Lawfare

Stone made a bombshell allegation during the discussion: the various prosecutions against Trump represent a coordinated “racketeering conspiracy” involving multiple Democratic prosecutors and the Biden Justice Department. The evidence for this coordination is compelling.

The prosecutor who delivered opening statements in Trump’s Manhattan trial was Michael D’Angelo, who previously worked at the Biden Department of Justice. Stone questioned why Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg needed a Biden DOJ prosecutor to make the opening argument – was no one in the local office competent, or does D’Angelo’s presence reveal federal coordination?

Stone detailed a pattern of White House meetings that suggests systematic coordination:

• Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg visited the White House and met with White House Legal Counsel
• New York Attorney General Letitia James had similar meetings
• Fulton County DA Fani Willis met with Justice Department officials
• Special Counsel Jack Smith coordinated with DOJ leadership
• Fulton County Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade also had federal contacts

“What you see here is a coordinating racketeering conspiracy to prosecute Donald Trump. Every one of these people has visited the White House, every one of them has met with the White House Legal Counsel, every one of them has met with the Department of Justice.”
— Roger Stone

Stone argued that Trump’s attorneys should file a civil RICO action documenting this conspiracy, ideally in Florida as a related case to the documents prosecution before Judge Aileen Cannon. However, he noted that when Trump previously filed a detailed civil lawsuit in Miami documenting the Russian collusion hoax, a Clinton-appointed judge not only dismissed the case but sanctioned Trump’s lawyers for millions of dollars simply for using the court system. This creates a chilling effect that discourages legitimate legal challenges to prosecutorial abuse.

Two-Tiered Justice: Who Gets Prosecuted and Who Walks Free

The discussion highlighted the stark double standard in American justice, where Trump faces prosecution for possessing presidential records while Democrats who committed clear crimes walk free. Stone systematically documented this two-tiered system:

Trump: Charged with retaining classified documents under the Presidential Records Act, which Stone argues entitled him to possess them. A federal court decision by Judge Amy Berman Jackson (ironically, Stone’s trial judge) ruled that President Bill Clinton could do anything with his documents post-presidency, including keeping some “in his sock drawer.”

Joe Biden: According to a special counsel’s report, “willfully retained classified and top secret documents in violation of the law,” but received no prosecution because of his age and mental condition.

Hillary Clinton: Lied under oath before Congress about her email server and classified information handling – no prosecution.

James Comey: FBI Director who lied at least 138 times under oath before Congress regarding material matters – no prosecution.

John Brennan: CIA Director who lied to Congress multiple times, specifically about surveillance of a Senate committee investigating illegal CIA torture programs – no prosecution.

James Clapper: Director of National Intelligence who insisted under oath that the U.S. had no metadata collection program on American citizens, until Edward Snowden revealed that was a lie – no prosecution.

Co-host Troy Smith highlighted another aspect of the double standard: the different treatment of Jeffrey Epstein versus Sean “Diddy” Combs. Both face similar trafficking allegations, but associates of Epstein faced intense scrutiny while celebrities connected to Diddy, including Legend, continue their careers without question. Legend even appeared on Jen Psaki’s MSNBC show to attack Trump while his own associations remain unexamined.

America First Candidate Derek Evans on Draining the Swamp

The show featured an interview with Derek Evans, a Republican congressional candidate in West Virginia and January 6th defendant. Evans represents the type of America First candidate that the establishment fears – someone who has personally experienced government weaponization and is running to hold officials accountable.

Evans served in the West Virginia House of Delegates, becoming the first Republican to win his district in 98 years with a landslide victory on an “ultra-MAGA America First platform.” On January 6th, he was the only elected state legislator in the entire country who attended the protest to stand with President Trump against what he characterizes as a stolen election.

Two days later, federal agents raided his home, “traumatized my family, ripped me away from my wife and my four young children, and held me hostage as a January 6th political prisoner.” Evans spent eight days in solitary confinement for refusing the COVID vaccine. He emphasized that many January 6th defendants remain imprisoned, some in solitary confinement for months, which he called “absolute torture.”

“What they did to me, they are going to do it to everyone when they get the opportunity to do so. I want to use my personal experience of what I went through and take that to Congress and hopefully sit on the weaponization of government committee and actually start holding these people accountable.”
— Derek Evans

Evans is challenging incumbent Republican Carol Miller, whom Stone characterized as a “certified RINO.” Miller recently voted for:

• Extension of the FISA program allowing warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens
• Billions more in funding for the Ukraine war (she waved a Ukrainian flag on the House floor)
• Green New Deal legislation that threatens West Virginia’s coal industry
• Medicaid-funded abortions
• Red flag gun laws that allow firearm confiscation without due process

Evans has raised over $700,000 from more than 10,000 individual donors, with not a single dollar from PACs or special interest groups. Stone emphasized this is “one of the most important races in the country” and urged support at evans4wv.com, noting that Evans represents an opportunity to “send a message to the deep state” by electing a former January 6th political prisoner to Congress.

Jim Pfaff on Transforming Conservative Grassroots Politics

The show concluded with Conservative Caucus President Jim Pfaff discussing the organization’s mission to revolutionize grassroots conservative politics. Pfaff explained his connection to founder Howard Phillips, whom he called “a rock star” in the conservative movement who “understood the Constitution” and “was willing to fight tooth and nail for American freedom.”

Pfaff’s central argument is that Republicans and conservatives “really suck at grassroots politics.” He distinguished genuine grassroots organizing from the superficial door-knocking campaigns that parties typically run close to elections:

“Grassroots politics is about identifying who your voters are and then actually taking steps to make sure that every one of them come out to the polls. We’re going to transform grassroots politics in America because Republicans and conservatives, frankly, there are some good efforts, but most of them really suck at it.”
— Jim Pfaff, President, The Conservative Caucus

Pfaff pointed to the Republican National Committee’s failure under Ronna Romney McDaniel, noting that despite raising “tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars to address the question of election integrity,” no meaningful efforts were made. Trump and Republicans now must “play catchup ball” on election security issues.

He detailed several critical problems that remain unaddressed:

• State legislatures never rolled back mail-in voting laws that were changed using COVID-19 as justification
• Dropboxes remain legal in most swing states (only Wisconsin has amended its laws)
• Mail-in voting continues despite being “clearly unconstitutional” according to lower court rulings
• Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court overturned lower court decisions that had successfully challenged mail-in voting

Pfaff referenced “The Blueprint,” a famous book about how Democrats systematically took over Colorado through issue-based organizing rather than party-focused campaigns. He noted that Democrats excel at reaching specific communities – LGBTQ voters, women, Hispanics – through issue discussions rather than partisan appeals, while Republicans consistently fail at this approach.

He specifically criticized Republican outreach to Hispanic communities, where there is “craving to hear what matters to them” but Republicans “just don’t do it.” The Conservative Caucus aims to change this by talking about “issues and principles and concepts” rather than always leading with party identification.

Stone strongly endorsed this approach, noting his own frustration with Republican establishment failures on election integrity and grassroots organizing. He urged listeners to support the Conservative Caucus at theconservativecaucus.com and contribute to their efforts at theconservativecaucus.com/donate.

Key Takeaways

1. Trump Trial Lawfare Follows Stone’s Template – The prosecution of Donald Trump in Manhattan mirrors the tactics used against Roger Stone in 2019, from jury corruption to gag orders to biased judges, suggesting Stone’s case was a “dry run” for targeting Trump.
2. Jury Selection is Systematically Corrupted – Political activists lie during jury selection to get seated on high-profile cases, as evidenced by Tomeka Hart in Stone’s trial and similar issues emerging in Trump’s case, with courts refusing to address the problem.
3. Gag Orders Violate Constitutional Rights – Unconstitutional restrictions on political speech prevent defendants from raising legal defense funds, responding to media attacks, and exercising First Amendment rights, while their accusers face no similar restrictions.
4. Coordinated Racketeering Conspiracy Exists – Multiple Democratic prosecutors (Alvin Bragg, Letitia James, Fani Willis, Jack Smith, Nathan Wade) have all met with White House officials and the Justice Department, suggesting systematic coordination in Trump prosecutions that could constitute civil RICO violations.
5. Two-Tiered Justice System is Undeniable – Trump faces prosecution for actions that Biden, Clinton, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper performed without consequence, demonstrating that justice depends on political affiliation rather than rule of law.
6. January 6th Defendants Face Ongoing Persecution – Derek Evans and hundreds of others remain targeted by the weaponized justice system, with many still imprisoned and new arrests continuing, while Evans channels his experience into an insurgent congressional campaign.
7. Republican Establishment Failed on Election Integrity – Despite raising hundreds of millions under Ronna McDaniel, the RNC made no meaningful efforts to address mail-in voting, dropboxes, or other vulnerabilities that remain in place for 2024.
8. Grassroots Politics Requires Fundamental Reform – The Conservative Caucus under Jim Pfaff aims to transform how conservatives organize by focusing on issue-based community outreach and volunteer-powered election security rather than superficial door-knocking campaigns.
9. Democrats Excel at Issue-Based Organizing – The left successfully reaches specific communities through focused issue discussions rather than partisan appeals, a strategy Republicans have failed to replicate despite its proven effectiveness.
10. America First Candidates Offer Hope – Insurgent candidates like Derek Evans who have personally experienced government weaponization represent the best opportunity to hold officials accountable and restore constitutional governance if they can overcome establishment Republican opposition.

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Originally broadcast March 31, 2025 on The Conservative Caucus.